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Mar 20 2001
10:32 AM
Posts: 428
Dance2
Very Cool Guy

Phat:a few more questions.

Phat,
I definitely have been experiencing having to drop the weight now. If I take a day or two off then when I comeback I can hang 10 pounds easily right off the bat. In fact, last Sunday I hung 10 pounds for 3 sets and it was not until the 4th set that I had to lower the weight. It will be a good time to start adding weight, at least on the first day. However, on the second day I have to hang less because of the fatigue from the previous day. Yesterday on the fifth set,the most I could hang because of the discomfort (fatigue) was 5 1/2 pounds.After two days it is pretty sore and on the third day on a few occasions I could not even finish my 5 sets without have the discomfort I described,and you and growing have termed "fatigue." If I dropped the weight, and was really careful, perhaps I may actually be able to hang an additional day.. Thus the first question: Should I take a day off so I can come back and hang more weight, or should I keep hanging and persevering as long as I don't have to hang less than half of my maximum. Did you mean to imply that while the amount of weight is important, fatiguing the muscle is really what I am after. Therefore, while I am inclined to rest, I have the feeling that your theory might be that this is the best time to hang because you are really stressing and fatiguing the ligament as long as you don't have to hang less than half the maximum. Is that right? You said you are actually look forward to that feeling etc. Growing also says he tries to put so much stress on the ligament until fatigue sets in and then lower the weight and keep hanging. Of course I have to be careful and sensitive to the pain.Let me state it again. After two days, on the third day, sometimes if I pull with my hands in an ok position I can feel the stress on the ligament and it is tender. If I rest, then I come back strong and hang heavier weight,but if I keep hanging and don't worry about the weight then it may be stressing the ligament more in the way we are after. After you hang for two really good days and have to lower the weight to half of the maximum, do you take a day off or keep going until you can not physically hang at least half?

The second question is about hanging in different directions. More specifically the sides. Will it inhibit my growth if I don't do that? Do you hang in other directions and how?Do you lay on the side of the bed and let it hang or hang the weight over the side of your leg? I am curious about how often and for how long? May be part of one of the sets?
Thanks in advance for your help,,
Dance

Mar 20 2001
3:49 PM
Posts: 500
phat8
Moderator

Detailedanswers--excuse the typos

dance: definitely have been experiencing having to drop the weight now.. If I take a day or two off then when I come back I can hang 10 pounds easily right off the bat. In fact,
last Sunday I hung 10 pounds for 3 sets and it was not until the 4th set that I had to lower the weight.

Phat: PERFECT----YOU'RE ON THE PROGRAM. Just right.

Dance: "However, on the second day I have to hang less because of the fatigue from the previous day. Yesterday on the fifth set, the most I could hang because of the discomfort (fatigue)was 5 1/2 pounds. After two days it is pretty sore and on the third day on a few occasions I could not even finish my 5 sets without have the discomfort I described, and you and growing have termed "fatigue."

Phat: Again, PERFECTO-----PERFECTO-----exactly what you want. Now you are on the road to gains. It's hell on your sex life though, because if you are fatigued enough, you need recovery time,but when you see the results, you'll easily make the trade off.. Your experience is the same of me, Bib, Soma, and the other hangers who KNOW the technique.

Dance: "If I dropped the weight,and was really careful, perhaps I may actually be able to hang an additional day.. "

Phat: Why do that? Don't take too many shortcuts, go max up to the hilt when you can, THEN go down when needed.. Forget the "extra" day, we are not counting days, we are stretching the ligs.

Dance: "Thus the first question:Should I take a day off so I can come back and hang more weight, or should I keep hanging and persevering as long as I don't have to hang less than half of my maximum."

Phat: That would be OK, but it depends on how you "feel". I tend to NOT do that when I have the time(now I have guests and I'm 8 days off schedule, but so what). A good rule of thumb is the "degree" of fatigue you feel. If you get real shriveled up and small and non-functional, then a day or two or three off would be good; use that time to jelq and pump. I have continued during that "shriveled"stage until I could not get the hanger on, but that is risky and I was greedy to squeeze every ounce of lig stretch. Just remember I did not "recommend"continuing.

Hang and persevere vs. takeoff and go back up in weight is something I myself struggle with because I don't want to become dysfunctional. Just remember, if you take it too far,, you will end up like many men in African and Island tribes with impotence.I believe I can "feel" that degree of fatigue coming on and then STOP and Jelq..

The answer then is HOW BAD the fatigue is. A little or moderate amount and I keep on hanging. I tend to overdo it and push the envelope, but then again there are stretches I cannot PE at all like now. I feel I can do 25 now, and my cock has never ever looked thicker and more veiny/muscular than now, after heavy relentless hanging and then a long week-long lay off. Remember, you can always rest,so push until you think you are hurting yourself. That point I cannot describe,and it's all trial and error. I know when too much is too much after months of doing it, but I used to err on the conservative side, afraid it would not come back. Usually, 2-4 days is enough to get back to normal.

Dance: "Did you mean to imply that while the amount of weight is important, fatiguing the muscle is really what I am after. Therefore, while I am inclined to rest, I have the feeling that your theory might be that this is the best time to hang because you are really stressing and fatiguing the ligament as long as you don't have to hang less than half the maximum. Is that right? "

Phat: Yes and yes! You got it now. It's hard to explain but you now have it!

Dance: "You said you are actually look forward to that feeling etc."

Phat: Yes I do. I don't LIKE the way it feels or looks (you can get smallish) but it's the only way for slow gainers to get anything. Just be careful.

Dance: "Growing also says he tries to put so much stress on the ligament until fatigue sets in and then lower the weight and keep hanging."

Phat: Yes, I do that exact same thing all the time. I think Growing has good gains.

Dance: "After two days, on the third day, sometimes if I pull with my hands in an ok position I can feel the stress on the ligament and it is tender.

Phat: That is what you want when you pull out, a dull, tooth ache pain, YES!

Dance: "If I rest, then I comeback strong and hang heavier weight, but if I keep hanging and don't worry about the weight then it may be stressing the ligament more in the way we are after. After you hang for two really good days and have to lower the weight to half of the maximum, do you take a day off or keep going until you can not physically hang at least half?"

Phat: No, I do NOT take off.I let her rip until I cannot take it below half max weight.
Like I said, it's hard to have good, comfortable sex like that, but that is the only way guys like you and me will ever gain. I had an erection a few days back, why I don't know, that looked like a frigging cucumber, and it just makes me want to NEVER stop. It will come back harder and better after a rest. Let the half-max weight be a good rule of thumb, but obviously, you need rest eventually, so be careful. I hate to interrupt the fatigue with rest, but you must rest every so often, and that is a rule we don't know since it varies from man to man.

Dance: "The second question is about hanging in different directions. More specifically the sides.Will it inhibit my growth if I don't do that?

Phat: NO, NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!You will NOT grow as much (I think) if you don't. I look forward to the over-the-leg for I can usually tolerate more weight that way, and I'm not sure that the stretch is not almost as good if not better than straight down at times. Also, don't forget over the shoulder from time to time.It sure seems to speed things up.

Dance: "Do you hang in other directions and how?"

Phat: Every session, and more so than Bib did. I like 20 minutes over the right leg and 20 minutes over the left leg after one or two straight downs. I like at least one 20 minute over the back too.

Dance: "Do you lay on the side of the bed and let it hang or hang the weight over the side of your leg?"

Phat: Yes and yes, both. I lay on one side of the bed and lay the weight across my leg straight out the side. I have to readjust the new bib hanger (takes about 15 seconds). I occasionally hang sideways from a regular chair, which is easy.

Dance: "I am curious about how often and for how long? "

Phat: I think I answered that above. All my reps---whether straight down, sideways, or over-the-back---are for 20 minute periods with AT LEAST 10 minute wet heating pad rests in between. I often apply the heating pad for an hour if I'm really sore.The water helps but can get hot. I every once in a blue moon hang for 25 minutes without a break, but only when I am VERY strong and coming off a rest period, where I'm 100% again with NO fatigue. I would not recommend that unless you are real squeezed for time.

Now that I have given you my secrets, how about sending some of those Chicago "hotties" down my way for some 9 inch plumbing work? Heheheh.

Seriously, you are now just beginning to do this right, so I would "date" my beginning hang time about now, as what you did prior was very ineffective. You will one day get that tingling, electric feeling and really go at it then until you cannot tolerate half max. It has been since October since I had a real electric phase that went for more than a day or so.

Mar 20 2001
5:52 PM
Posts: 429
Dance2
Very Cool Guy

Re: Detailed answers--excuse the typos

Phat,
It seems silly for me to add this point of clarification but I will. Basically you understood my questions correctly, but there was one statement I was ambiguous with. I said, "if I dropped the weight, and was really careful, perhaps I may actually be able to hang another day." What I meant was on the third day or the day that I was sore from previous days. Yes I will always start out with max after rest days as you said, but as the days continue the weight must drop.I was referring to a day that I am already fatigued. Do I continue with a ridiculously small weight and keep persevering or take off so I can hang more weight. I understand your answer. You yourself keep going until the weight drops below half. I was confirming that weight was not the issue but the stretch was. In other words, resting a day in order to be able to hang more pounds is not as important as taking advantage of a ligament that has been fatigued and can still be stretched more as long as I don't hurt myself.

Well I am not sure what I am missing but I don't get shriveled up. I don't get erectile difficulty.Oh sure maybe directly afterwards but not like the next day. Anyway, I will now have to incorporate more of the hanging in different directions.Never even tried the over the shoulder or leg. I have only done a few minutes of laying on the side. OK I will see how it goes to continue and be careful not to injure myself.
Thanks,
Dance

Mar 20 2001
7:00 PM
Posts: 501
phat8
Moderator

More answers

You ought to ask Bib such questions, hehehehe.

OK.........

Dance: "What I meant was on the third day or the day that I was sore from previous days. Yes I will always start out with max after rest days as you said, but as the days continue the weight must drop. I was referring to a day that I am already fatigued. Do I continue with a ridiculously small weight and keep persevering or take off so I can hang more weight.I understand your answer. You yourself keep going until the weight drops below half. I was confirming that weight was not the issue but the stretch was. In other words, resting a day in order to be able to hang more pounds is not as important as taking advantage of a ligament that has been fatigued and can still be stretched more as long as I don't hurt myself".

Phat: Yes, continue with the ridiculously small weight and everything else you say looks fine to me.What is the question? Do this even when you are fatigued is what I was referring to but you said you knew that. That "ridiculously" small weight is doing as much if not MORE at that point than the higher weight was before.It's just like Bib's telephone wire analogy.

Yes, weight is unimportant,but the "stretch" is. I guess you are wondering if you should continue at lower weight above half max when fatigued. I say yes, until you must drop below half max. I got the half max rule from Bib, and it seems to be "safe." I would not go further than that, because we really don't know those limits and you must be safe. The exception is when you go an inordinate amount of days before reaching half max, say over a week, then yes you may have to rest. I sometimes don't, though I should. If your fatigue is extremely sore to the point of so shriveled up you cannot hardly put the hanger on, then yes, stop and rest, even at above half max. I find I can always go on no matter how fatigued at ridiculously low weights above half max (that is a good way to describe it Dance).

Dance: "Well I am not sure what I am missing but I don't get shriveled up. I don't get erectile difficulty. Oh sure maybe directly afterwards but not like the next day. Anyway, I will now have to incorporate more of the hanging in different directions. Never even tried the over the shoulder or leg. I have only done a few minutes of laying on the side. OK I will see how it goes to continue and be careful not to injure myself."

Phat: You will get shriveled I would assume because everyone else does. Maybe you need to move up in weight. I think some of mine has to do with using the new Bib hanger which is so much better, you can hurt yourself without knowing it.

I am usually OK erectile-wise the next day, and just afterwards the problem is more tender soreness to touch, which is bad when you are uncut. You are younger than me, so if you have little erectile problems, then you should spend longer sessions on this since your costs are so low.

By all means start doing over the leg and back, and it takes pressure off the more strenuous straight down reps. I can usually always go up in weight sideways and over the shoulder,though I must admit I have not pushed that as much as I could have. Watch the over the shoulder, as I tend to get numb sometimes just before 20 minutes is up, so you want to disattach then. You will need to make a rope extender for over the back but it's real simple. I use a foam cushion or a folded towel to cushion to stress to the shoulder blade, which is fairly harsh.

I think you are on the way.You should be getting some shrivelling when you get fatigued, but don't worry if you don't, since it's probably due to you young age and higher testosterone levels.

Where are the hotties? Are you going to hog them all?

Mar 20 2001
7:44 PM
Posts: 431
Dance2
Very Cool Guy

Re: More answers

Thanks, I understand.

Mar 22 2001
10:13 PM
Posts: 433
Dance2
Very Cool Guy

Re: More answers

Phat,
I just stretched to each side for a full 20 minute set, and man I got to tell you that is a good stretch.I did 15 minutes over the leg and 5 minutes laying on the side of the bed.I can really feel it. I still have not done the over the back one but will try that tomorrow. Before I just laid on the side of the bed for a few minutes. I feel sort of stupid for not thinking this through more. I just thought that the strait down stretch was the best one so I stuck with that.Now I have to incorporate stretching in all directions. I think 2 sets down, one left, right and down again. Then maybe work in the overhead too.This will definitely help me grow. I still think that I want the bulk of the hanging to be strait down though.
Thanks,
Dance

Edited by: Dance2 at: 3/23/019:14:18 am

Mar 23 2001
2:06 PM
Posts: 507
phat8
Moderator

Dance

Dance:"Phat, I just stretched to each side for a full 20 minute set, and man I got to tell you that is a good stretch. I did 15 minutes over the leg and 5 minutes laying on the side of the bed. I can really feel it."

Phat: Great: you're now "on the program" and doing it correctly. It's amazing isn't it how small, minor details of proper technique make such a huge difference. I have no doubt that you will eventually gain something.

One thing: throw your ruler in the garbage can, and I mean that. It's useless for you for the next4 months. Just go at it hard. Look for "safe" fatigue (where erections are no problem the next morning) and let her rip. Take advantage of the fatigue and see if you can convert that to the "electric" sensation (that funny tingling that feels like electric current). Heck, if erections are no problem, keep on then too. You should rest still every so often but I cannot give you a number here.

Dance:"I just thought that the strait down stretch was the best one so I stuck with that.
Now I have to incorporate stretching in all directions. I think 2 sets down, one left, right and down again.Then maybe work in the overhead too. This will definitely help me grow.I still think that I want the bulk of the hanging to be strait down though."

Phat: You are basically correct.The "program" should emphasize straight down, but the sideways gives a heck of a stretch too. I think it is almost as good as straight down.

TIP: when PEing, after the straight down at your max tolerable (say, e.g., 8 lbs) do the sideways with more, say 10 lbs or even try max. You will be surprised at how much more you can tolerate, all else the same, with the sideways hang.

2 sets down, one left, one right and one down again is my "normal" routine when I am pressed for time or lack privacy.......it's my MINIMUM workout. It is OK I think, but it will take you over a year to get a really good gain, but I think it will come. You just have to put in the total hours of hang time, assuming you gain a less than .001 per hour (see yesterday's post). That is five sets for 1 hours and 40 minutes. I would not do much less, and you are single and flexible so you have less time problems than I do. You should go for5 hours some on the weekend (that's right), but realistically, go do 4hours on the weekend sometimes, that's 12 sets. I do that some and it's good. You will then push your "safe" fatigue threshold and find out you max effort routine. Right now, you are under it because you have no erection problems.

Mar 23 2001
10:00 PM
Posts: 438
Dance2
Very Cool Guy

Re: Dance

Yes I think that is a good routine for me. 2 strait, one left,right and then down again. Once in a while do the over the shoulder thing.I did that today and it was a real hassle. I did 6 sets today but man it takes time. Hot wraps, wrapping, resting etc. Plus it is hard on my back to sit on the edge of a chair so long. I try and pop up pillows etc., but it still gets sore. It is an old injury. At least with the side stretches I can sit strait against the chair. Yeah as time goes on I am just going to hang all day when I can.

Apr 12 2002
9:19 PM
Posts: 438
Dance2
Very Cool Guy

Update by Dance

Over a year has passed since this conversation and I wish to add something to the discussion. It concerns the idea of dividing up the hanging between angles. Since that time, I have come to believe in a more effective way. Bib suggested concentrating on one angle at a time. Then after it has really been worked move to the other angles. I believe that dividing up the angles too much was at times counter productive for me because it did not attack the ligs as much as possible and allowed them to rest when I worked on the other angles.What I am saying is that yes the angles are important, but instead of switching back and forth concentrate on one angle at a time for many sets, maybe even days, before working on the other angles. Perhaps a person can do many sets of btc and one or two other angles. Maybe add over the legs one day after doing the BTC hangs and then the next time add strait etc. Then after some time switch to many sets of another angle etc., thereby attacking the ligs in a more systematic way. You know, divide and conquer. This is where hanging becomes both an art and a science and a person has to individualize the routine.Dance

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