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dance: definitely have been experiencing having to drop the weight now.. If I take a day or two off then when I come back I can hang 10 pounds easily right off the bat. In fact,
last Sunday I hung 10 pounds for 3 sets and it was not until the 4th set that I had to lower the weight.
Phat: PERFECT----YOU'RE ON THE PROGRAM. Just right.
Dance: "However, on the second day I have to hang less because of the fatigue from the previous day. Yesterday on the fifth set, the most I could hang because of the discomfort (fatigue)was 5 1/2 pounds. After two days it is pretty sore and on the third day on a few occasions I could not even finish my 5 sets without have the discomfort I described, and you and growing have termed "fatigue."
Phat: Again, PERFECTO-----PERFECTO-----exactly what you want. Now you are on the road to gains. It's hell on your sex life though, because if you are fatigued enough, you need recovery time,but when you see the results, you'll easily make the trade off.. Your experience is the same of me, Bib, Soma, and the other hangers who KNOW the technique.
Dance: "If I dropped the weight,and was really careful, perhaps I may actually be able to hang an additional day.. "
Phat: Why do that? Don't take too many shortcuts, go max up to the hilt when you can, THEN go down when needed.. Forget the "extra" day, we are not counting days, we are stretching the ligs.
Dance: "Thus the first question:Should I take a day off so I can come back and hang more weight, or should I keep hanging and persevering as long as I don't have to hang less than half of my maximum."
Phat: That would be OK, but it depends on how you "feel". I tend to NOT do that when I have the time(now I have guests and I'm 8 days off schedule, but so what). A good rule of thumb is the "degree" of fatigue you feel. If you get real shriveled up and small and non-functional, then a day or two or three off would be good; use that time to jelq and pump. I have continued during that "shriveled"stage until I could not get the hanger on, but that is risky and I was greedy to squeeze every ounce of lig stretch. Just remember I did not "recommend"continuing.
Hang and persevere vs. takeoff and go back up in weight is something I myself struggle with because I don't want to become dysfunctional. Just remember, if you take it too far,, you will end up like many men in African and Island tribes with impotence.I believe I can "feel" that degree of fatigue coming on and then STOP and Jelq..
The answer then is HOW BAD the fatigue is. A little or moderate amount and I keep on hanging. I tend to overdo it and push the envelope, but then again there are stretches I cannot PE at all like now. I feel I can do 25 now, and my cock has never ever looked thicker and more veiny/muscular than now, after heavy relentless hanging and then a long week-long lay off. Remember, you can always rest,so push until you think you are hurting yourself. That point I cannot describe,and it's all trial and error. I know when too much is too much after months of doing it, but I used to err on the conservative side, afraid it would not come back. Usually, 2-4 days is enough to get back to normal.
Dance: "Did you mean to imply that while the amount of weight is important, fatiguing the muscle is really what I am after. Therefore, while I am inclined to rest, I have the
feeling that your theory might be that this is the best time to hang because you are really stressing and fatiguing the ligament as long as you don't have to hang less than half the maximum. Is that right? "
Phat: Yes and yes! You got it now. It's hard to explain but you now have it!
Dance: "You said you are actually look forward to that feeling etc."
Phat: Yes I do. I don't LIKE the way it feels or looks (you can get smallish) but it's the only way for slow gainers to get anything. Just be careful.
Dance: "Growing also says he tries to put so much stress on the ligament until fatigue sets in and then lower the weight and keep hanging."
Phat: Yes, I do that exact same thing all the time. I think Growing has good gains.
Dance: "After two days, on the third day, sometimes if I pull with my hands in an ok position I can feel the stress on the ligament and it is tender.
Phat: That is what you want when you pull out, a dull, tooth ache pain, YES!
Dance: "If I rest, then I comeback strong and hang heavier weight, but if I keep hanging and don't worry about the weight then it may be stressing the ligament more in the way we are after. After you hang for two really good days and have to lower the weight to half of the maximum, do you take a day off or keep going until you can not physically hang at least half?"
Phat: No, I do NOT take off.I let her rip until I cannot take it below half max weight.
Like I said, it's hard to have good, comfortable sex like that, but that is the only way guys like you and me will ever gain. I had an erection a few days back, why I don't know, that looked like a frigging cucumber, and it just makes me want to NEVER stop. It will come back harder and better after a rest. Let the half-max weight be a good rule of thumb, but obviously, you need rest eventually, so be careful. I hate to interrupt the fatigue with rest, but you must rest every so often, and that is a rule we don't know since it varies from man to man.
Dance: "The second question is about hanging in different directions. More specifically the sides.Will it inhibit my growth if I don't do that?
Phat: NO, NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!You will NOT grow as much (I think) if you don't. I look forward to the over-the-leg for I can usually tolerate more weight that way, and I'm not sure that the stretch is not almost as good if not better than straight down at times. Also, don't forget over the shoulder from time to time.It sure seems to speed things up.
Dance: "Do you hang in other directions and how?"
Phat: Every session, and more so than Bib did. I like 20 minutes over the right leg and 20 minutes over the left leg after one or two straight downs. I like at least one 20 minute over the back too.
Dance: "Do you lay on the side of the bed and let it hang or hang the weight over the side of your leg?"
Phat: Yes and yes, both. I lay on one side of the bed and lay the weight across my leg straight out the side. I have to readjust the new bib hanger (takes about 15 seconds).
I occasionally hang sideways from a regular chair, which is easy.
Dance: "I am curious about how often and for how long? "
Phat: I think I answered that above. All my reps---whether straight down, sideways, or over-the-back---are for 20 minute periods with AT LEAST 10 minute wet heating pad rests in between. I often apply the heating pad for an hour if I'm really sore.The water helps but can get hot. I every once in a blue moon hang for 25 minutes without a break, but only when I am VERY strong and coming off a rest period, where I'm 100% again with NO fatigue. I would not recommend that unless you are real squeezed for time.
Now that I have given you my secrets, how about sending some of those Chicago "hotties" down my way for some 9 inch plumbing work? Heheheh.
Seriously, you are now just beginning to do this right, so I would "date" my beginning hang time about now, as what you did prior was very ineffective. You will one day get that tingling, electric feeling and really go at it then until you cannot tolerate half max. It has been since October since I had a real electric phase that went for more than a day or so.